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    Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 10:45am
I'm thinking of doing a reset in early 2023, and at the same time I can implement changes to the back-end processing.

Use this thread to make suggestions on what needs to be improved and how.  

From picking up points over the last couple of years in the forum, I think some areas to consider are:

1) Finance/Revenue - Perhaps make it easier at the beginning and harder as promoters progress to stop run-away wealth and help player retention

2) Action/Interest - What can be done to keep the players interest at the start of the game when they have a small stable?  

3) Game etiquette - Simply, what changes might prevent situations which annoy you most when dealing with other promoters? Again, please keep it constructive here, I don't want this thread to descend into players laying into each other - I just want ideas which can "make it better"

Feel free to make suggestions on any other areas as well.  Note, I do have more space now on the new server, so can expand the game as well.

This thread will be used to see what the consensus is amongst players, so even if you don't have your own ideas, please drop a post if you want to support/oppose a suggestion.


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What about a Fairplay multiplier/boost for your rankings at world level.

Much like chemistry is on a 0-100 spectrum this could be the same, with 0 being the base version of the game as it is now. If you accept a fight where the opponent is ranked at a lower level in the world rankings (mean average of the 4x bodies), then your fairplay ranking should marginally increase, the greater your fairplay score is, the more generous the rankings will be for your fighters promotion wide will be at world level.

It would need to make allowances for the same promoter on either side of the bout abusing it, and potentially us their IP addresses to find anyone who is abusing via 2x promotions.

I don’t think that the boost to rankings needs to be significant, just noticeably improved to drive the right behaviours.
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Seems reasonable, but like you say we'd need to try ensure it was not abused.
If there is one thing I've learned from this game is players will find ways to fudge the system no matter what safeguards are put in place!
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Originally posted by hinchy70 hinchy70 wrote:

What about a Fairplay multiplier/boost for your rankings at world level.

Much like chemistry is on a 0-100 spectrum this could be the same, with 0 being the base version of the game as it is now. If you accept a fight where the opponent is ranked at a lower level in the world rankings (mean average of the 4x bodies), then your fairplay ranking should marginally increase, the greater your fairplay score is, the more generous the rankings will be for your fighters promotion wide will be at world level.

It would need to make allowances for the same promoter on either side of the bout abusing it, and potentially us their IP addresses to find anyone who is abusing via 2x promotions.

I don’t think that the boost to rankings needs to be significant, just noticeably improved to drive the right behaviours.

Strongly against.

I understand that part of the aim of the suggestion is that this would remove so called "padded records", but in the long-term I can see this to leading to the same fights happening over and over again especially between promoters that invested more time early on. I think that this would mean that building up new stars would become harder too. 

On rooq's point 2) Action/Interest - In amateur boxing there are a lot of regional championship going on. The game itself is already split into regions so introducing annual or biannual(spring-autumn/summer-winter) tournaments could be a nice addition. 
This fits perfectly into the "Amateur-Tournaments" but if there is any way to implement such tournaments into Pro Tournaments this could be an interesting way to keep interest while still with a relatively small stable and have something to strive for with new signees. 
I have to note that this is currently possible via the Pro Tournament section, but it falls on the incentive/intention of the promoter. Not sure if this could be implemented easily, just came off the top of my head.


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Originally posted by Rumen34 Rumen34 wrote:


Strongly against.

I understand that part of the aim of the suggestion is that this would remove so called "padded records", but in the long-term I can see this to leading to the same fights happening over and over again especially between promoters that invested more time early on. I think that this would mean that building up new stars would become harder too. 

On rooq's point 2) Action/Interest - In amateur boxing there are a lot of regional championship going on. The game itself is already split into regions so introducing annual or biannual(spring-autumn/summer-winter) tournaments could be a nice addition. 
This fits perfectly into the "Amateur-Tournaments" but if there is any way to implement such tournaments into Pro Tournaments this could be an interesting way to keep interest while still with a relatively small stable and have something to strive for with new signees. 
I have to note that this is currently possible via the Pro Tournament section, but it falls on the incentive/intention of the promoter. Not sure if this could be implemented easily, just came off the top of my head.

i think you might have misunderstood Hinchy's suggestion (or I have).  I think it has been made to encourage players to accept fights offers against lower ranked fighters, as one of the issues we have at the moment is that it can be difficult to progress up the rankings.  And also to encourage players to work with other promotions and not just try making in-house or Versus AI fights all the time.  i can't see a scenario where the same fight would get made over and over, as it would not benefit the promoter of the losing fighter.

Regarding your amateur suggestions, I agree with the regional competitions - that's something I can introduce, although I'd probably have to increase the number of Ams generated at each weightclass.
I could have it so regionals have the top 4 fighters, nationals top 8.

Not sure what more I can do with pro tournaments - i think i tried something similar to your suggestion in a previous version of the game and actual player participation of the automatically created tournaments was quite low.
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I would like to see our (assistant ran) maxed out Amateur Gyms produce much better fighters... I rarely produce fighters with more than 300-400 class which is annoying and its not cheap to set up either...

I know if you match the fighters yourself you can produce better fighters but theres not really enough time to play the pro and amateur game...

Its so much more fun to sign one of your own amateurs and match him in the pros...
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Originally posted by NoMas NoMas wrote:

I would like to see our (assistant ran) maxed out Amateur Gyms produce much better fighters... I rarely produce fighters with more than 300-400 class which is annoying and its not cheap to set up either...

I know if you match the fighters yourself you can produce better fighters but theres not really enough time to play the pro and amateur game...

Its so much more fun to sign one of your own amateurs and match him in the pros...


You do know that class is not a reflection of how good the fighter's attributes are? The only way of getting ams with higher class is if they win continental/world/Olympic tournaments, and those fighter's will be rare compared to the number of am gym fighters generated in the game.
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Originally posted by rooq rooq wrote:

Originally posted by NoMas NoMas wrote:

I would like to see our (assistant ran) maxed out Amateur Gyms produce much better fighters... I rarely produce fighters with more than 300-400 class which is annoying and its not cheap to set up either...

I know if you match the fighters yourself you can produce better fighters but theres not really enough time to play the pro and amateur game...

Its so much more fun to sign one of your own amateurs and match him in the pros...


You do know that class is not a reflection of how good the fighter's attributes are? The only way of getting ams with higher class is if they win continental/world/Olympic tournaments, and those fighter's will be rare compared to the number of am gym fighters generated in the game.

I didnt but I rarely get any fighters picked from my Tex amateur stable to compete in major competitions anyways...

In all the years Ive been playing this game I never produce a 'contender', maybe not even a regional or national champ thinking about it...

If you look at the am world rankings though, you can see some of the top 5 promoters have a litter 800+ fighters in their am stables, or they did going back a month or so ago...

Im not suggesting we suddenly start reeling off 2 or 3 ATG fighters a year but if maxed out stables could produce somemore talent it would be fun and more realistic too tbh if you pump 10's of millions into your amateur set up IRL and have multiple world champs in your pro stable, chance are you are gonna have some top amateurs, especially in countries like Ukraine...
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Originally posted by rooq rooq wrote:

Originally posted by Rumen34 Rumen34 wrote:


Strongly against.

I understand that part of the aim of the suggestion is that this would remove so called "padded records", but in the long-term I can see this to leading to the same fights happening over and over again especially between promoters that invested more time early on. I think that this would mean that building up new stars would become harder too. 

On rooq's point 2) Action/Interest - In amateur boxing there are a lot of regional championship going on. The game itself is already split into regions so introducing annual or biannual(spring-autumn/summer-winter) tournaments could be a nice addition. 
This fits perfectly into the "Amateur-Tournaments" but if there is any way to implement such tournaments into Pro Tournaments this could be an interesting way to keep interest while still with a relatively small stable and have something to strive for with new signees. 
I have to note that this is currently possible via the Pro Tournament section, but it falls on the incentive/intention of the promoter. Not sure if this could be implemented easily, just came off the top of my head.



i think you might have misunderstood Hinchy's suggestion (or I have).  I think it has been made to encourage players to accept fights offers against lower ranked fighters, as one of the issues we have at the moment is that it can be difficult to progress up the rankings.  And also to encourage players to work with other promotions and not just try making in-house or Versus AI fights all the time.  i can't see a scenario where the same fight would get made over and over, as it would not benefit the promoter of the losing fighter.

Regarding your amateur suggestions, I agree with the regional competitions - that's something I can introduce, although I'd probably have to increase the number of Ams generated at each weightclass.
I could have it so regionals have the top 4 fighters, nationals top 8.

Not sure what more I can do with pro tournaments - i think i tried something similar to your suggestion in a previous version of the game and actual player participation of the automatically created tournaments was quite low.


Rooq, your interpretation was the right one here.
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i think the profits made at the top end of the game are pretty ridiculous.  Really, fighters at that point would be demanding a much bigger chunk of the revenue.  Obviously there still should be a decent profit, but the promoter should not be walking away with several million rq more than any of the headline fighters are earning.

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